tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post1996805756898562234..comments2024-03-23T02:00:27.106+03:00Comments on SUSIE of ARABIA: Peace, Tolerance and CompassionSusie of Arabiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13315336613944665651noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-9056292181292623122010-02-12T18:12:33.376+03:002010-02-12T18:12:33.376+03:00nice post. thanks.nice post. thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-79694531552165122112009-11-29T22:49:53.559+03:002009-11-29T22:49:53.559+03:00"why does he have to say muslim terrorists, d..."why does he have to say muslim terrorists, do we say catholic killer ,one someone of that faith murders someone??<br />Saying murdered by a terroriste is enough,why created more hatred."<br /><br />I am not sure the plaque should mention their religion, but because I don't think it will be helpful as Muslims are a minority in the US. who since 9/11 are painfully aware of what happened then and therefore don't need to be reminded of it, and because it might stir up undue negative feelings against that minority. For that reason I think it probably isn't a good idea. But this argument above in quotes is not a really valid argument against doing so. <br /><br />Every day random / spontaneous or premeditated acts of violence are committed by individuals each hailing from some faith or another. But those acts have nothing to do with their religion. There is a difference between a random person belonging to a religious group committing a crime like robbing, or murdering or raping someone for motivations unrelated to their religion, and a group of people bonded together by a common faith, committing an act they believe to be ordained by that faith in the name of that faith. What Osama and his henchmen do, they do in name of their religion and many people, also of the same religion, either openly or not so openly cheer them on. (my Muslims in laws in Toronto told me that many Muslims there were celebrating and cheering after the 9/11 attacks) <br /><br />Not all Christians participated in the Crusades, but Muslims will never let it be forgotten that the Crusaders were CHRISTIAN, and Muslims also like to talk about the JEWS who were bad to Mohammed, though not all Jews participated in those acts either. So why does it only become "irrelevant" to mention the religious affiliation of those behind a violent act done in the name of a religion, when the religion in question is Islam? It seems Muslims are asking for a different standard to be applied to them than to others.<br /><br />I think all groups, Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc. should acknowledge the extremist elements that exist within their communities and the harm they are capable of bringing about should they be allowed to continue unchecked, instead downplaying their existence or brushing the acts they commit under the rug with comments like "well they aren't 'true' followers of (insert name of faith here)if they did that" or "not all all (insert name of religious group) behave that way" or "well (insert name of another religion) did so and so to us back in (insert date in the past)"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-15939552782187886932009-11-12T10:20:19.817+03:002009-11-12T10:20:19.817+03:00Well, as I've stated it is up to the city to d...Well, as I've stated it is up to the city to decide what they do- and I think it is better for the community they do not honor the fathers request. But he is not requesting something that is not true. I hope he finds some peace.Sandynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-39125677568605405332009-11-12T04:40:27.015+03:002009-11-12T04:40:27.015+03:00The Queen
First, let me apologize that in the fir...The Queen<br /><br />First, let me apologize that in the first comment I made on the Oklahoma bombing there should have been quotation marks and a reference:<br /><br />"We come here to remember those who were killed, those who survived and those changed forever. May all who leave here know the impact of violence. May this memorial offer comfort, strength, peace, hope and serenity.®" <br /><br />"The Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum was created to honor those who were killed, those who survived and those changed forever by the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. The Memorial and Museum are dedicated to educating visitors about the impact of violence, informing about events surrounding the bombing, and inspiring hope and healing through lessons learned by those affected."<br /><br />which are both from the Oklahoma bombing Memorial and Museum site<br />http://www.oklahomacitynationalmemorial.org/<br /><br />It seems to me clear that the emphasis in the inscription is the 1st quote and the one above about the Survivor Tree, and the stated purpose of the Memorial and Museum are a focus on the victims and the lessons to be learned and less on the bombing itself, although it remains to be seen how they describe the context.<br /><br />It seems to me that the most analogous plaque would be of the type I mentioned, one that emphasizes the victims, and gives only the basic context. <br /><br />Sandy--I certainly understand the father's response, I just think he doesn't have total rights over a public monument. It would be best to have agreement all round but his rights as a grieving father are superceded by the broader group. Hopefully he will come to greater terms with his grief and lose the anger or rechallenge it more positively.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-91804389733550327432009-11-11T17:54:19.296+03:002009-11-11T17:54:19.296+03:00Chiara, perhaps there is no mention of religious t...Chiara, perhaps there is no mention of religious terrorism or the role of Christianity on a memorial in Oklahoma because religion DID NOT play a part?<br /><br />Previously you said: The Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum was created... The Memorial and Museum are dedicated to educating visitors about the impact of violence, informing about events surrounding the bombing, and inspiring hope and healing through lessons learned by those affected.<br /><br />Yet this grieving father, according to you, is just supposed to put a plaque that says, in your words:'It would be more eloquent and accurate to say "Died tragically on 9/11 in the X Tower of the World Trade Centre" or some such. Using "terrorist" is superfluous and politicizing...'<br /><br />Why the difference?The Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04071652918414242294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-80908300402378456052009-11-11T13:12:33.509+03:002009-11-11T13:12:33.509+03:00The BIG difference between Mc Veigh and 9/11 terro...The BIG difference between Mc Veigh and 9/11 terrorist and other recent terrorism is that he DIDN'T use the religion as an motive for his act, he didn't yell Parise the Lord or something similar he was fed up with the us goverment...on the other side many muslim kamikaze while blowing themselves up they cried Allah Akbar (or something similar), so IMHO i don't see anything wrong by using muslim terrorism. I'm sure some of you won't agree with me.<br /><br />It's important that we must respect other religion and culture but i'm wondering why in some muslim countries this isn't happening why they tech that christians and jews are pigs in madrassescountrygirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-57381463788963225512009-11-11T06:10:35.797+03:002009-11-11T06:10:35.797+03:00The Queen--apparently not. The only incription (at...The Queen--apparently not. The only incription (at the Survivor' Tree) other than the trade marked on above (repeated on 6 doors) reads:<br /> <br />The spirit of this city and this nation will not be defeated; our deeply rooted faith sustains us.<br /><br />Those who look in the reflecting pool are supposed to see a face of someone changed by "domestic terrorism".<br /><br />No religious terrorism or the role of Christianity in the bombing is mentioned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-33563929437414221232009-11-10T23:18:24.871+03:002009-11-10T23:18:24.871+03:00Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not all terrorist...Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not all terrorists are Muslims. Some Muslims would like to believe the Holocaust never happened. <br />Terrorists DID blow up the World Trade Center. THESE terrorists were Muslims. <br />Muslim terrorists blew up the World Trade Center. They DID KILL Mr. Gadiel's son. He is speaking truth and how HE feels is how he feels. You don't get to rewrite history.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03201759918154593244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-58834318356802078602009-11-10T03:51:15.556+03:002009-11-10T03:51:15.556+03:00Would everyone that supports the Muslim terrorist ...Would everyone that supports the Muslim terrorist be stated on the memorial also support American terrorist written on the graves in Iraq and Afghanistan or on the graves in Vietnam? Most rational people would agree that invading, bombing, and occupying their country, and jailing and killing its inhabitants is terrorism, for terrorism is usually defined as the use of force or terror for political forces. 9/11 was a terrorist act just like the above invasions and occupations.Salamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12353236302471367403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-3240544595849420322009-11-10T01:18:19.053+03:002009-11-10T01:18:19.053+03:00Perhaps in the Mc Veigh case since it was not done...Perhaps in the Mc Veigh case since it was not done in the name of religion we could call him an American traitor. As I recall it was because he was unhappy with the government. That would seem to be relatively equal to something like Muslim terrorist. It identifies his nationality (American) and his action (traitor). I see no problem with that. IF he did it because of some funadamental Christian ideology then call it that.obynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-87953578701530929482009-11-10T01:17:17.313+03:002009-11-10T01:17:17.313+03:00Chiara,
Interesting.'The Memorial and Museum ...Chiara, <br />Interesting.'The Memorial and Museum are dedicated to educating visitors about the impact of violence, informing about events surrounding the bombing, and inspiring hope and healing through lessons learned by those affected.'<br /><br />So, this memorial for a 9/11 victim should talk about Islamic extremism, explain how it happens, where the terrorists train, who supports it and what to do to prevent it?The Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04071652918414242294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-31684479224200820072009-11-09T22:47:03.504+03:002009-11-09T22:47:03.504+03:00Yveline--good point:
We come here to remember tho...Yveline--good point:<br /><br />We come here to remember those who were killed, those who survived and those changed forever. May all who leave here know the impact of violence. May this memorial offer comfort, strength, peace, hope and serenity.®<br /><br />The Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum was created to honor those who were killed, those who survived and those changed forever by the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. The Memorial and Museum are dedicated to educating visitors about the impact of violence, informing about events surrounding the bombing, and inspiring hope and healing through lessons learned by those affected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-66881901227301196642009-11-09T22:22:52.867+03:002009-11-09T22:22:52.867+03:00No reason for the Oklahoma Memorial to state relig...No reason for the Oklahoma Memorial to state religion. McVeigh did commit his act while shouting Allahu Akbar in any language.<br /><br />That said I do think the Ft. Hood situation will be more a matter of a someone going postal (and I'm not very sympathetic to that either). But no doubt the situation overlaps. He is getting support and pats on the back from people who identify as Muslim.Sandynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-14597023637705833362009-11-09T20:06:26.688+03:002009-11-09T20:06:26.688+03:00I wonder what is written on the Oklahoma memorial,...I wonder what is written on the Oklahoma memorial, since Timothy Mc Veigh was an good old American boy and no muslim! no mention of religion , I am certain....yvelinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10019198893041780964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-33008239337079197382009-11-09T20:04:53.907+03:002009-11-09T20:04:53.907+03:00Sorry but i totally diasgree with you, you can'...Sorry but i totally diasgree with you, you can't hide the truth James Gadiel was murdered by a bunch of muslim terrorists. I'm fed up with all this p.c. crap that doesn't call things with their names, MSM tries to hide the truth by given any exuse eg. they seldom call honor killings by their rightfull name. The same is happening with the killing rampage in Fort Hood and Obama is saying not to jump to an easy conclusion.<br /><br />GRanted the majority part of muslim around the world are peacefull but sadly there are a minority that is hailing right now the killer of fort Hood as an hero!<br /><br />I don't think the request is racist since muslim isn't a raceCountrygirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-15777987545558798572009-11-09T15:20:37.337+03:002009-11-09T15:20:37.337+03:00Let's not forget that the 9-11 terrorists not ...Let's not forget that the 9-11 terrorists not only proclaimed themselves as Muslim, they also considered themselves to be way better as ''moderate'' muslims.<br /><br />I think therefore that the comment ''they were not really muslim'' counts.<br />A religion is as a religion does.Save the Women!http://aerinndis.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-24024753149961325172009-11-09T15:18:22.397+03:002009-11-09T15:18:22.397+03:00Well, hum, it's not subtile, on the other hand...Well, hum, it's not subtile, on the other hand his son was really murdered, and it really was by a terrorist attack, and they really were terrorists who were muslim.<br />So what's the problem?<br /><br />If muslims are that upset by hearing or reading the truth, they should clean up their community so muslim terrorrists don't get the funds and the support they need to make these attacks.<br /><br />After all, fundamentalism, in any religion, is based on the communities of those religions. And the fact that the normal believers will not speak up and protect their own re4ligion and community from fundamentalsm, and twisted ideologies end up in terrorism and murder.<br /><br />So don't complain if you see the truth written on a monument: fix the ummah.Save the Women!http://aerinndis.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-26054015904555453542009-11-09T02:29:49.883+03:002009-11-09T02:29:49.883+03:00Puca--an interesting comment, and I agree that ide...Puca--an interesting comment, and I agree that identifying the group responsible rather than the ethnicity or religion is most accurate. I always separate in my mind, ETA and Basque, IRA and Irish, Al Qaeda, and Arab/Muslim/Saudi etc.<br /><br />I don't think that those who have suffered are destined to hate the whole group. Hate is a Self destroying emotion.<br /><br />Ann Coulter is very good at hate speech but right now all that comes to mind is her rage at Canada not sending troops to Iraq (we are fighting in Afghanistan since that war started, specifically Kandahar); her comment about Canada being a country the US allows to exist, and her insisting to a CBC interviewer that Canada sent troops to Vietnam, no matter how hard he tried to get her off the hook she insisted on staying on--telling her Korea yes, Vietnam no, individual Canadians served with US troops in Vietnam but no Canadian Forces troops, etc. She promised to get back to him with proof she was right--we are all still waiting, including the Canadian Vietnam vets who served in the US armed forces, and do not qualify for vet benefits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-58144748384553907502009-11-09T00:45:49.661+03:002009-11-09T00:45:49.661+03:00I took a history course last year that talked abou...I took a history course last year that talked about recent history like 9/11 and even sooner than that (this prof considered 'yesterday' as part of his history course). He referred to the 9/11 terrorists as 'Islamic extremists', so that's why I am wondering if this term is any better than 'Muslim terrorists'. There are extremists in any religion who warp scripture so badly you can barely recognizes it, so I would be fine with the term, 'Islamic extremists' much like I would call the Westboro Baptist Church bunch 'Christian extremists'. These guys certainly don't speak for the rest of the Christians on the planet, much like the idiots who drag Islam through the mud with their stupid acts certainly don't speak for the large majority of Muslims who are awesome, great people.<br /><br />I recently left a part-time tutoring job because of school commitments, and most of the people I tutored were immigrants and refugees. I seriously loved helping the Muslim students the most, as they are friendly, hard-working people who truly appreciate your help :) They're the ones I'm going to miss the most, too :(Melhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05432842450432274534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-51815210350079410692009-11-08T18:57:43.428+03:002009-11-08T18:57:43.428+03:00Queen: Did it ever cross your mind that maybe I ha...Queen: Did it ever cross your mind that maybe I have an understanding of what goes on, but was taught to not harbor hate. I see the world at 80% positive and 20% negative; and that as people we have to be responsible for our own actions.<br /><br />The one thing that I was taught growing up in a liberal Christian family was this: "God gave His commandments to govern his people, but He gave them there free agency." Queen, I would like to talk to you more about what you stated in your comment. <br /><br />"The prevention of THAT, IS up to the Muslim community. It should not be a hardship to ensure that families and lives are not torn up by extremist ideology running unchecked in their communities." - I would like to know further what you mean. I can be reached at: GhadaAlamin@gmil.comJenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777255445778787783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-89086184229240663482009-11-08T17:28:34.583+03:002009-11-08T17:28:34.583+03:00Helene, where have you seen these killings by Chri...Helene, where have you seen these killings by Christian terrorists attrubuting their deeds to Ann Coulter? Have I missed something, I must be totally out of the loop.janicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885403909609923540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-38486287497707753122009-11-08T14:33:33.203+03:002009-11-08T14:33:33.203+03:00All Political Correctness aside, what do the major...All Political Correctness aside, what do the majority people think of when one says the word "terrorist" in the United States? Islamic extremists are usually the first to come to mind. Now while this may indeed be a fallacy in terms of numbers, or maybe not, these Muslim extremists have certainly impacted our American society in a devastating way. <br /><br />One another note, aren't "Muslim Terrorists" and "Islamic Extremists" pretty much the same in terms of meaning? To be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about the father and his plaque. To me, it is clear that this father will probably have a distrust/dislike of Muslims from here forward, just as the majority of Palestinians have a strong dislike/distrust of Israeli's. Whether either side is right, is just a matter of opinion.Kalilah Breezenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-31221240053569853582009-11-08T13:00:54.182+03:002009-11-08T13:00:54.182+03:00In Spain we do have terrorosts too, located in the...In Spain we do have terrorosts too, located in the North, from the Vasc region. <br /><br />The thing is that even when we say the Vasc terrorists, we all already know not all Vascs are terrorist, we don't need to specify every time, we all know.<br /><br />The description never tries to be offensive, they are from where they are.<br /><br />Another thing is that would be easy to call them instead of a pplace or a community by their name.<br /><br />Instead of Vasc terrorists, ETA, instead of Irish terrorists, IRA, instead of Muslim terrorist, Al Qaeda or the group to which they belong, that specification could make things easy, because accomplishes the father's will of stating the truth of who killed his son, and at the same time no once could feel included in that description but whois from that group, nor the city/region/country/community they belong to.Why nothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03696250850424466408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-30679751525469684342009-11-08T12:55:56.823+03:002009-11-08T12:55:56.823+03:00Susie - this is a great post on an important topic...Susie - this is a great post on an important topic and one which many folks feel very passionate about. The truth of the matter is that the people responsible for 9/11 - and this father's loss - were and are Muslim Terrorists. If calling them that makes some people uncomfortable, well then I suggest they vent their anger and disgust at the Muslim Terrorists, not the father.Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10668192168400882599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-52200977246496407682009-11-08T05:46:00.938+03:002009-11-08T05:46:00.938+03:00I know there are extremists in every religion and ...I know there are extremists in every religion and that religions is responsible for wars and atrocities. If muslims are asking for tolerance, compassion and understanding. . . are they willing to give these same things to others? It doesn't seem so. Certainly not compassionate to let young girls die in a fire rather than look upon their uncovered hair. Certainly not tolerant of women's human rights. Understanding of the western way of thinking? Not so much. It always amazes me that those who have suffered discrimination often are the first to discriminate against others.<br />Just some ramblings.Lindanoreply@blogger.com