tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post392832444404499874..comments2024-03-11T12:49:08.014+03:00Comments on SUSIE of ARABIA: Spinsters in Saudi ArabiaSusie of Arabiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13315336613944665651noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-61525274858237616292016-05-16T21:21:51.599+03:002016-05-16T21:21:51.599+03:00It is nothing more than KSA's Govt's effor...It is nothing more than KSA's Govt's effort to keep the Arab race racially pure by not allowing marriage of their women folk to non Arab Muslims. Something Nazis also preached to Germans. If you mess with Allah's Law where Allah and his prophet strictly forbidden the nationalism and preference of Arab over non Arab, you are going to simmer in your own soup. You wait for another 10-15 years and sexual immorality with prevail like a pandemic in KSA where numbers of spinsters will increase significantly. KSA's so called owner's of Islam are using their rigid and degrading man made laws to go against the law of the nature and they will loose badly. They are depriving righteous muslim women of their due rights to choose their own grooms and Govt is creating obstacles to make sure this does not happen any time soon. Adil Alinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-38717686566718501792012-07-16T05:50:26.278+03:002012-07-16T05:50:26.278+03:00Jardelle, these women do not really choose to be m...Jardelle, these women do not really choose to be muslim. They are born into it, and apostasy(leaving their faith) is punishable by death.<br />Personally I don't see the fuss about unmarried women. There is nothing wrong with staying single, especially when the alternative is a husband who treats you as a posssession.illawarriornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-12051460873075599682011-02-26T02:53:57.152+03:002011-02-26T02:53:57.152+03:00Sorry but if you choose a religion as islam,then w...Sorry but if you choose a religion as islam,then why would you get surprised if your husband takes other 3 wives?You have to accept it,you believe in this religon...(this was for the muslims in general,not for you)jardellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16852611362352047128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-15122138253107379082010-12-22T08:10:41.895+03:002010-12-22T08:10:41.895+03:00Aafake-Art: Also, about maher, it is actually hara...Aafake-Art: Also, about maher, it is actually haraam to have it be a high ammount, ie forbidden in Islam. This is a cultural thing. Yes, a woman can ask for whatever she wants, but if it means no men can afford to marry her, even good ones? Then she is wholly stupid and to blame for her lot in life.<br /><br />My maher was one rose, and a silver ring. I stated in my MAHER document, that if my husband divorced me, then AND ONLY THEN, would he have to pay me ANYTHING and I demanded the equivelant of alimony or a house of my choosing in my name where I want. That is for divorce with no reason. <br /><br />Demanding money just to get married of a large ammount is soley a cultural thing. And it causes women and men to be unmarried, no offense.Omani Princess (not Omani...yet)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11738377563210269837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-78561990059294131282010-12-22T08:06:44.111+03:002010-12-22T08:06:44.111+03:00Aafke-Art: Actually, you are quite wrong. You spea...Aafke-Art: Actually, you are quite wrong. You speak out of context. You forget WHY the Prophet Mohamed did not allow Ali, his son in law, husband of Fatimah to marry a second wife. It was not because she disagreed with second wives, of the Prophet himself, but because of the woman Ali wanted to marry. She was the daughter of those who had harrassed, intimidated, and hurt the Prophet's family already. For example, divorcing his other two daughters, without a reason, but simply because they were Muslims. So it wasn't the issue of more than one wife. It was the issue of WHO the wife was.<br /><br />But I do agree, a woman can have it as part of her maher not to have another wife, but this has to be agreed upon between the husband and the wife BEFORE the marriage. If after, well, to be honest, it is kinda your own damn fault for not being educated in your religion and knowing your rights. Read. <br /><br />And otherwise, a wife does have the right to divorce if her husband takes another wife after her without her blessing. It is halal to do so.<br /><br />But don't twist things.Omani Princess (not Omani...yet)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11738377563210269837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-31293999197293688272010-12-12T08:28:17.071+03:002010-12-12T08:28:17.071+03:00Я шукаў у Інтэрнэце, спрабуючы знайсці ідэі аб тым...Я шукаў у Інтэрнэце, спрабуючы знайсці ідэі аб тым, як атрымаць свой персанальны сайт блог закадзіраваны, ваш цяперашні стыль і тэмы выдатныя. Ты кода яго сабе ці ты наймаць кодэра, каб зрабіць гэта для вас асабіста?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-90293173110463851962010-12-05T01:42:20.471+03:002010-12-05T01:42:20.471+03:00To Anonymous 4Dec @ 3:56PM - you sound really angr...To Anonymous 4Dec @ 3:56PM - you sound really angry. But at what? First of all, I am not criticizing Saudi women at all - everything I ever write is in support and defense of Saudi women, their rights, and their causes. Certainly this post is not critical of Saudi women in any way. If anything, it is somewhat critical of Saudi men who sneak around and marry another woman without the knowledge or consent of his first wife. So what exactly got you all riled up? <br />You have judged me and called me "shameless" for having my photo here when it's really not your business and not up to you at all, is it? Why does it bother you so much if it doesn't concern you?<br />You also said that it's none of my business that Muslims can marry up to 4 wives - but you are very wrong. I am married to a Muslim man and I am living in Saudi Arabia, where multiple wives are allowed - so how exactly do you figure that polygyny is none of my business? <br />I have a right to my opinions, and you can disagree with me, but why can't you do so in a decent and calm manner instead of attacking me like a crazy ranting lunatic?<br />The rest of your diatribe doesn't even really make sense and is written with such anger that I am not even going to address it. You are a perfect example of what turns me off about islam and other religions.Susie of Arabiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315336613944665651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-5562894277485192012010-12-04T15:56:23.492+03:002010-12-04T15:56:23.492+03:00Audhu billahi minashaytaan irajim!!!!! I cannot be...Audhu billahi minashaytaan irajim!!!!! I cannot believe what I am reading here and how careless you are oh you ennemy of Islam, cease immediately your hateful propaganda against Islam or you will regret it, first of all you are married to a Mulsim man from Saudi and should respect his religion otherwise you should'nt have married him, now WHO gives you the right you a kaffir to critizise us Muslim women like this?it is nothing to do with you and you have no right as a disbeliever to undermine ISLAM this way but what is more infuriating is that you are doing it from Saudi itself?? now this is the result of those shameless and careless men who go around making zina and marriying disbelievers who never become MUSLIMS and trash it all their life, please tell your husband for me, "where is his Ghirra, his love of ALLAH his pride? does he know your are shamelessly dislplaying pictures of yourself here???You are helping the ennemys of ALLAH and fuelling the fire of hatred amongst well jewish followers 'mother in israel' and jewish and christians haters. I totally back the sheikh on his death fatwa and so do thousands of others. I cannot believe how low and weak some Muslims have become and are so blind and lost to follow the west on everything, they are polluting the mind of the Muslim youth, but hey we the pious will be victorious and the munafiqoon sorry on the day of judgment. Now it's neither none of your business the fact that Muslims can marry up to 4 wives and you should worry about your own country wich ban polygamy of marriage but allow a man to have countless mistresses, children born out of wedlock, now what about those 'harbroken' children who never make it in life because they ever didn't know whom their father was or were rejected and hidden for fear of their wives,by their fathers whom never paid child payments to their mum??? you are joking please try to make out like your sick system of life can surpass Islam in anyway. You want to talk about spinsters??Look in your own country where women in their late 30's and 40's resort to sperm bank to have a child because they didn't find a decent partner or are so fed up of broken promises bad relationship,been cheated on and useless immature men that won't commit, that they result in such drastic measures, you are only fooling yourself, because you are weak and you know Islam is the truth....wake up before it's too late and you end up in that coffin alone with the Angels of death questionning you....your abode will be hell and for what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-90209115781393174342010-12-02T12:55:48.464+03:002010-12-02T12:55:48.464+03:00From my reading of history, the multiple wives sit...From my reading of history, the multiple wives situation seems to be a way of legitimising the taking of women after conquering an area and was mainly a power play. Men who allow their daughters to be part of a family with multiple wives seem to see their children as pawns as well.<br /><br />The late Emir of Kuwait, Jabir married often and apparently did not know many of his children. This practice only tailed off when families refused the marriage.<br /><br />It is a sad commentary when a family doesn't value their daughter unless the daughter sees a short term marriage as a way of getting money.<br /><br />I saw a documentary once where the three older wives were happy that their husband married again as he then left them alone - again this is very sad. I would have loved to see the comments of the children.Astoundednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-59010837091198530282010-11-14T21:15:31.361+03:002010-11-14T21:15:31.361+03:00I don't think it is fair that people are lashi...I don't think it is fair that people are lashing out at Susie for "attacking Islam" because she is not. She is merely stating what is happening, consequences, and her opinion. Yes, men are allowed multiple wives in Islam but only if you can treat them all equally. I find that many people overlook that portion and it is actually quite difficult to do. Also, the real context for the permission to allow multiple wives came about after a war when many women had lost everything. It was to help them out, not to appease the lust of men or to claim "spoils of war". I believe it is even stated in the Qur'an that "Allah does not like lusty men". If people are taking multiple wives simply out of lust, desire, pressure, etc, there is no religious context to that whatsoever and it is almost hypocritical to attach it to religion like that to justify it. <br />As far as I know, selling women as brides has no grounds in Islam as well. A woman who was forced into a marriage told the prophet her story and he told her the marriage was null and void. <br /><br />The thing is that since holy sites reside in the KSA, people like to automatically think that they are representatives of Islam and muslims for the entire world when they are really not. The KSA does not allow religious freedom but the peak years in Islamic Spain sparked a golden age for the Jews, who lived in harmony alongside their muslim neighbors. Women have trouble getting jobs and are not permitted to drive but ironically, the first wife of Muhammad, Khadija, was a wealthy businesswoman who had her own business and he was her employee!. I think if she were alive today, she would cringe ans shudder at the situation of the women in KSA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-7963779794500716972010-10-29T09:32:24.187+03:002010-10-29T09:32:24.187+03:00I have a question based on the note from Umm Salwa...I have a question based on the note from Umm Salwan from Libya...<br />Who where the western powers? who according to you were exploiting a worthless desert.<br />It must have been inbetween some barbaric wars, they packed up and went across the world to a worthless pile af sand to wage war....sorry but I have not so much B.S. before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-15321436136205503682010-08-10T01:25:09.930+03:002010-08-10T01:25:09.930+03:00Could someone with authoritative info clarify a fe...Could someone with authoritative info clarify a few points from Ali's post?<br /><br />Contrary to what Ali says, my understanding is that:<br /><br />1) a Saudi Muslim <i>woman</i> is only allowed to marry a <b>Saudi</b> Muslim, though <i>male</i> Saudi Muslims can marry foreign Muslim women.<br /><br />2) A Saudi Muslim woman may not marry anyone without the permission of her <i>mahram</i>.<br /><br />3) A Saudi Muslim woman (maybe any Saudi woman) may not leave the country under any circumstances without the permission of her <i>mahram</i>.<br /><br />If these are correct, it would appear that a Saudi Muslim woman who wishes to be in good standing in Islam is pretty much boxed in on all sides by whatever (and whoever) her family wants.<br /><br />Thus she cannot leave the country to marry a Canadian, for example, of any faith. Nor can she marry <i>any</i> Westerner residing in KSA, of any faith. Nor can she marry a Saudi Muslim man of her choosing without her family's permission. Nor can she marry an Arab of Muslim faith (say, a Yemeni) who is not Saudi.<br /><br />Of course I may have my information wrong and I look forward to being corrected.Veeds of Arabiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16609079024522754584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-14001334141862711902010-08-04T20:43:43.648+03:002010-08-04T20:43:43.648+03:00Well, as there is nothing to protect women in Isla...Well, as there is nothing to protect women in Islamic marriage, and no maintenance if the hubby decides to divorce her or upgrade her with a younger model I think women have every right to get as much money for selling their sexual duties as as they want.<br /><br />And let's not forget, If polygamy is such a nice thing for women then why did the prophet not want it for his favorite daughter? Why did he keep her from suffering to be a co-wife?<br />And the granddaughter of the prophet had it written in her own marriage contract, no more wives.<br />So I that makes it perfectly sunnah for every women to demand no extra wives.Aafke-Arthttp://aafke-art.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-2572332271995706952010-08-02T09:48:18.311+03:002010-08-02T09:48:18.311+03:00Ali: I agree with all your first points, not you l...Ali: I agree with all your first points, not you last whining spinster comment.<br /><br />I know Saudi women who married British Muslim men. They moved to UK is all. They didn't need their family's permission. In fact, in Islam, family cannot prevent such a thing.<br /><br />And the MAHER thing IS the issue for all young men. I knwo PLENTY guys wanna get married young, and would be happy with one wife, but hey, you make them wait until they are nigh 30-40???? Your OWN fault sisters. I agree.<br /><br />Gold maher does not equal good marriage.Omani Princess (not Omani...yet)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11738377563210269837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-47207668275145960442010-08-01T02:57:00.310+03:002010-08-01T02:57:00.310+03:00I would like to exchange links with your site www....I would like to exchange links with your site www.blogger.com<br />Is this possible?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-44405739778803662062010-07-29T04:17:54.280+03:002010-07-29T04:17:54.280+03:00Hi 7sn - Thanks for the link. The big difference ...Hi 7sn - Thanks for the link. The big difference is that this type of thing is ILLEGAL in the US and most other countries in the world. There are no laws or recourse governing this type of thing in KSA - females are not protected here by the law because of the male guardian system.Susie of Arabiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315336613944665651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-11447823232126360392010-07-29T02:14:52.847+03:002010-07-29T02:14:52.847+03:00this story just got put up on cnn today 7/28/2010...this story just got put up on cnn today 7/28/2010<br /><br />a 14 year old forced to marry her 19 year old cousin.<br /><br />what backwards, oppressive, third world muslim country did this inhumane story happen in you may wonder? <br /><br />The answer is........... the United states of america<br /><br />heres the link<br /><br />http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/28/utah.polygamist.ruling/index.html?eref=rss_us&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_us+%28RSS%3A+U.S.%29&utm_content=Google+ReaderAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07603063865263445177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-30715495879366640782010-07-27T07:08:06.385+03:002010-07-27T07:08:06.385+03:00people love to sit back and point fingers and say ...people love to sit back and point fingers and say "o look at them they are so weird they need to change" <br /><br />just watch the show cheaters, then you will realize who has the real issues lol<br /><br />Also lets not act as if there is no such thing as polygamy in the USA, It is present and there are many people living that way. some openly some not because they fear persecution. <br /><br />at least in saudi arabia they can live freely and openly without fear of persecution, mistreatment or legal action against them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07603063865263445177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-27153033007441084002010-07-27T00:31:16.248+03:002010-07-27T00:31:16.248+03:00Women have their share of blame for all this. Actu...Women have their share of blame for all this. Actually, the situation is probably all their fault.<br /><br />First of all, if Saudi women didn't demand a man's weight in gold to marry, then maybe younger men would be able to marry them. As it is, only pensioners can afford to marry them. Sure, it's their right to demand what they want, but it's also their right to end up having to marry into some old perv's harem because nobody else can afford to marry them... And if you want to stay single your whole life, that's fine too. But stop pretending you have the right to tell other women who do want a family what to do with their (not yours) life.<br /><br />Second, about marrying foreigners, what's stopping women from doing so now? Nothing. Oh, they can't leave the country without permission? Then their husband goes to Saudi, they get married, and then she no longer needs her family's permission to leave. ;) The only thing stopping Saudi women from marrying foreigners is their own inhibitions. Saudi women don't want to end up away from their family, because they're big cry babies. That's the real reason. Even if their foreign husbands were given citizenship, not many would stay. A man does not relocate like that. The two would probably end up moving back to his country anyway. This is not a bad thing, in my opinion... My point is, the "restrictions" are only in women's heads, and are repeated over and over but they're just pretexts. Where there's a will, there's a way.<br /><br />For the record, I am not Saudi or a Gulf Arab at all. Nor would I want to be one. ;) I live in the West, and would love to see barriers between nations disappear. But all this whining is pathetic. Women, stop being cry babies and stand up for yourselves. This comment board has become the Wailing Wall of spinster cry babies. LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-38532572967720928422010-07-27T00:10:47.247+03:002010-07-27T00:10:47.247+03:00I understand that this is outrageous for other peo...I understand that this is outrageous for other people but I think that we need to undertand their culture.Asia Correspondenthttp://asiancorrespondent.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-31641381658885578622010-07-26T23:07:44.605+03:002010-07-26T23:07:44.605+03:00To the Last 2 Anon Posts (which are obviously writ...To the Last 2 Anon Posts (which are obviously written by the same person) - My life is in Saudi Arabia and I write about things that interest me, that I don't understand, or that bother me about living here. If you don't like what I write, just stay off my site - simple as that.Susie of Arabiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315336613944665651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-1717928508713300902010-07-26T20:05:48.881+03:002010-07-26T20:05:48.881+03:00Stop insulting islam susie, please.Stop insulting islam susie, please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-83557910697589937212010-07-26T20:04:13.030+03:002010-07-26T20:04:13.030+03:00You're always talking about the same subjects....You're always talking about the same subjects...get a life and leave the muslims alone...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-32184542728833296752010-07-23T23:57:02.697+03:002010-07-23T23:57:02.697+03:00Susie--it is true that it is hard to get reliable ...Susie--it is true that it is hard to get reliable stats but those were from a source I respected, which I have cited so often I now just type it from memory. I think it is important to remember these are by region, and the numbers will vary within subpopulations of a region, including by social class. I do think too that the impact is so striking that the impression of how often it is happening is higher that the stats. None of these of course, allow for the usual hidden mistress--common across cultures.Chiarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13180585636556782803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3569425364802315563.post-25450260910678597852010-07-23T20:12:36.667+03:002010-07-23T20:12:36.667+03:00Hello Susie, I enjoy reading your blog from time t...Hello Susie, I enjoy reading your blog from time to time, but I must say that the comments are often aimed at demeaning and bashing Muslims. As some 'anons' commented above: about the Quran's genuiness. Hoe can it have been written 150 years after the prophet's death when copies were 'burned' by Uthman if Uthman was a Companion of the prophet i.e he was his contemporary. The different copies were destroyed so as not to cause confusion in the future, they were recorded in different dialects of various Arab tribes. They did not differ in content. Even now we have four main 'readings' of the Qur'an, where a particular letter may be pronounced differently. For example in one of the readings Musa is pronounced Musa, but with another reading it is pronounced Muse with an accent on the e. These readings are to be found all over the Muslim world. to 'anon who cites the Shia dispute of the Qur'an : which Shi'a do you mean and which division of which sect? The further the sect is from the original sources of the Sunnah, the more extreme and unfounded they become. Not all the books and teachers claiming to be interpretations of the Islamic Deen are correct or dependable.Thouosands of 'scholars' have written their own 'explanations' of the tafseer. One should be very strict in following a methodology when searching for answers. The writer, his sources, his mentors, his language. even the publisher and the country it was printed in have a bearing on any book's integrity. If Islam was spread by the sword, how come an ancient monastery in Egypt holds records that evidence the co-operation between Coptic monks and the Muslim conquerors in North Africa to rid the land of the Byzantine churches and their teachings. ? The flag of Saudi Arabia has a sword on it because it was 'UNITED' by the sword. A fragmented wilderness of tribes who were being exploited by the Western powers at the time and the Ottoman Turks, where turned into a magnificent country, no matter what anyone might think. Wasn't America united by guns and cannons, when millions died? Wasn't one European country doing battle with the other for centuries? Islam came at a time when superstition and heresy was tearing the Christian churches apart, when Northern European countries were still practicing very barbaric and savage ways of life. Before all the anons who attack Islam write their comments they should go and read some true history, not the fantasies of Muslim haters.<br />Umm Salwan from Libya.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com