What is so stunning, but not really surprising, is all that has been written in support of bin Laden in middle eastern, Pakistani and other Islamic nation papers. In the meantime, the terrorists are helping brother Muslims to become martyrs at an accelerated pace.
Marianne one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
a lot of people see what the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq aswell as their continued support to the zionists. and so the US is seen as the terrorists!
Anonymous said... i dont understand why you seem to be so racist against saudis and muslims marianne
Specifically, what have I posted that is racist? Please post a quote.
Why is it racism to object to Islam’s political, supremacist, misogynistic, misanthropic ideology? I object to Saudis telling nonMuslims how to dress, how to worship their gods and how to behave in their gender-apartheid society. I object to the Saudis making all women prisoners in their homes. I further object to Muslims trying to force that discriminatory way of life on the nonMuslim world. I do believe as a free person that I have that right.
I object to discriminatory, misanthropic, misogynistic sharia and Muslims trying to force Islam down the throat of humanity as the Qur’an states that they must or fight until the Last Day—and then kill all of the Jews to get into Paradise, per hadith. Islam is supposed to be dominant in the world and “reign supreme.” To state that and object to it is hardly racist. It is a fact!
I am a free Western person and do not want a supremacist, discriminatory ideology to dominate (or to try to dominate) that claims Muslims are “the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind...,” that men are superior to women; an ideology that says men can beat their wives, that women must inherit less than men, that the testimony of women in court is worth less than that of men, that women must be nothing but subservient to men and pop out children like bunny rabbits, and then those women cannot even have custody of those children in case of divorce, along with a myriad of other things that are very anti-woman.
I believe in democracy, plurality, equality and the rule of law; not Islamic discrimination against women, lesser sects of Muslims and nonMuslims.
Have your read the Qur’an, the ahadith, the sunnah along with statements from Muslims all over the world that they are dreaming and working towards an Islamic Caliphate to rule over all of humanity? Have you missed the terrorist attacks?
BTW, What specific race are Saudis and Muslims?
Anonymous said...Marianne,any link that has theonion.com is satire. It is meant to be funny, not true.
Of course it is satire! That is why I posted it. So was the picture that Susie posted—satire. The POINT is that millions of Muslims believe he is alive. Have you read the articles and seen the demonstrations to that effect? They are selling tee-shirts and posters celebrating bin Laden all over the Muslim world.
I find that offensive. Muslims should also be objecting, given that bin Laden murdered mostly Muslims. But, of course, it is much easier to fantasize about an Islamic “freedom fighter” Robin Hood type that to fix failed Muslim states.
Here a little tidbit from the Tehran Times:
”U.S. itself is laying the ground for reign of Islam in world: Basij commander Tehran Times Political Desk
TEHRAN - Basij Commander Mohammad-Reza Naqdi has said that the United States is setting the stage for the future dominance of Islam over the world by its own hands. . . “ http://www.tehrantimes.com/Index_view.asp?code=241658
The Saudis, who are sunis and believe that the shia Iranians are apostates, are sweating bullets over the Iranian nuclear plans, since any nuke will go off in their neighborhood first.
sweetlikechocolate said... Marianne one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. a lot of people see what the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq aswell as their continued support to the zionists. and so the US is seen as the terrorists! For once we agree on something—one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. ;)
You see, the West thinks that the attacks that Muslims have perpetrated on the modern, free world since 1972 starting with the slaughter of the Israeli Olympians and followed by the Iran hostage crisis in 1979, the USS Cole, the African embassy bombings, the Khobar Towers, Bali, Beslan, Madrid, 9/11, 7/7 and tens of thousands of other attacks (most against brother Muslims) since 9/11, are terrorist acts.
Now, Western freedom fighters are doing something about it. Then again, we could go all the way back, back to the time of the beloved prophet and the Rightly Guided Caliphs who fought many a bloody battle to further Islam. In the subsequent centuries, there were thousands of wars started by Muslims to spread Islam. You do know that history or should I post the countless, agressive battles by century? The Islamic hordes were at the gates of Vienna twice. The Europeans did not appreciate that.
There have been over 300 Islamist terror attacks on US soil since 1972 and tens of thousands in the world since 9/11.
Speaking of the camel’s nose under the tent: The veil is a political, supremacist statement and it will not stand, as laws being made against it clearly show. If Susie and company are forced to wear the freaking black-garbage-bag in Saudi then Muslims can damned well take the gear off when they come to the West! Unless, of course, all of that Islamic “respect” is only for Muslims and no one else. ;)
The Qur’an states that Muslims are permitted to defend themselves. Are we mere infidels not permitted the same when Muslims attack? Were westerners just supposed to sit there and take all those terror attacks without fighting back?
Oh, and just for the record I was always against the Iraq war because it is obvious that Muslims need a strong man to rule them. I always have been for departing from Muslim lands, lock, stock and barrel. No more aid, no more trade or anything of value from the hated infidels, that includes, food, water, medicines, technology and luxury goods. Muslims want to be left alone. Good idea! Let them become self-sustaining. If they want democracy, let them work for it. Let them bleed and die for it as others over the centuries have done. Many have stated: One man, one vote, ONE time and never again. If I were a betting person, I would bet on that because the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda and the Taliban want “perfect” Islam, like in the days of the beloved prophet, to rule. Let the aid flow from the filthy rich Islamic states like Saudi. The problem is, if all of the expats left, how would the Saudis get at the oil to sell so that they could feed their people?
As to Muslims in the West: Any Muslim who preaches sedition, that means if they say things like, “Islam must reign supreme,” or demands that sharia be implemented in the free world, should be arrested, prosecuted and if found guilty imprisoned and/or deported. We have seen that the Chinese are doing it already. The Pakistanis will find that their new “forever, best friends” are not politically correct and will not put up with dawa or sedition.
Perhaps that way, there will be peace and Muslims will not have the West to blame for their self-made misery any longer. Polls show that the majority of Westerners feel the very same way and are making laws to underscore the point to keep the West democratic and free.
LOL you seem to know a lot about muslims but forgot the bloody history of the West. How exactly were the native Indians made a minority? Through killing. How were the aboriginies made a minority? Through killing. The Crusades. Invasion after invasion by Christian Britain. Kidnapping Africans and Indians to work as slaves. OH my the bloody history is just too much.
Wouldnt it have been simpler to just accept, theres TWO sides??? Nah you wouldnt have been able to spew your hatred :P
LOL!
ReplyDeleteYes, lots of believers, believe the guy is still alive.
Susie, along those lines, have you seen these?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/update-giant-bin-laden-destroys-new-york-washingto,20536/?utm_source=recentnews
http://www.theonion.com/articles/bin-laden-returns-to-sea,20540/
What is so stunning, but not really surprising, is all that has been written in support of bin Laden in middle eastern, Pakistani and other Islamic nation papers. In the meantime, the terrorists are helping brother Muslims to become martyrs at an accelerated pace.
i dont understand why you seem to be so racist against saudis and muslims marianne
ReplyDeleteMarianne
ReplyDeleteone mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
a lot of people see what the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq aswell as their continued support to the zionists. and so the US is seen as the terrorists!
Marianne,any link that has theonion.com is satire. It is meant to be funny, not true.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said... i dont understand why you seem to be so racist against saudis and muslims marianne
ReplyDeleteSpecifically, what have I posted that is racist? Please post a quote.
Why is it racism to object to Islam’s political, supremacist, misogynistic, misanthropic ideology? I object to Saudis telling nonMuslims how to dress, how to worship their gods and how to behave in their gender-apartheid society. I object to the Saudis making all women prisoners in their homes. I further object to Muslims trying to force that discriminatory way of life on the nonMuslim world. I do believe as a free person that I have that right.
I object to discriminatory, misanthropic, misogynistic sharia and Muslims trying to force Islam down the throat of humanity as the Qur’an states that they must or fight until the Last Day—and then kill all of the Jews to get into Paradise, per hadith. Islam is supposed to be dominant in the world and “reign supreme.” To state that and object to it is hardly racist. It is a fact!
I am a free Western person and do not want a supremacist, discriminatory ideology to dominate (or to try to dominate) that claims Muslims are “the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind...,” that men are superior to women; an ideology that says men can beat their wives, that women must inherit less than men, that the testimony of women in court is worth less than that of men, that women must be nothing but subservient to men and pop out children like bunny rabbits, and then those women cannot even have custody of those children in case of divorce, along with a myriad of other things that are very anti-woman.
I believe in democracy, plurality, equality and the rule of law; not Islamic discrimination against women, lesser sects of Muslims and nonMuslims.
Have your read the Qur’an, the ahadith, the sunnah along with statements from Muslims all over the world that they are dreaming and working towards an Islamic Caliphate to rule over all of humanity? Have you missed the terrorist attacks?
BTW, What specific race are Saudis and Muslims?
Anonymous said...Marianne,any link that has theonion.com is satire. It is meant to be funny, not true.
Of course it is satire! That is why I posted it. So was the picture that Susie posted—satire. The POINT is that millions of Muslims believe he is alive. Have you read the articles and seen the demonstrations to that effect? They are selling tee-shirts and posters celebrating bin Laden all over the Muslim world.
I find that offensive. Muslims should also be objecting, given that bin Laden murdered mostly Muslims. But, of course, it is much easier to fantasize about an Islamic “freedom fighter” Robin Hood type that to fix failed Muslim states.
Here a little tidbit from the Tehran Times:
”U.S. itself is laying the ground for reign of Islam in world: Basij commander
Tehran Times Political Desk
TEHRAN - Basij Commander Mohammad-Reza Naqdi has said that the United States is setting the stage for the future dominance of Islam over the world by its own hands. . . “ http://www.tehrantimes.com/Index_view.asp?code=241658
The Saudis, who are sunis and believe that the shia Iranians are apostates, are sweating bullets over the Iranian nuclear plans, since any nuke will go off in their neighborhood first.
sweetlikechocolate said...
ReplyDeleteMarianne one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. a lot of people see what the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq aswell as their continued support to the zionists. and so the US is seen as the terrorists!
For once we agree on something—one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. ;)
You see, the West thinks that the attacks that Muslims have perpetrated on the modern, free world since 1972 starting with the slaughter of the Israeli Olympians and followed by the Iran hostage crisis in 1979, the USS Cole, the African embassy bombings, the Khobar Towers, Bali, Beslan, Madrid, 9/11, 7/7 and tens of thousands of other attacks (most against brother Muslims) since 9/11, are terrorist acts.
Now, Western freedom fighters are doing something about it. Then again, we could go all the way back, back to the time of the beloved prophet and the Rightly Guided Caliphs who fought many a bloody battle to further Islam. In the subsequent centuries, there were thousands of wars started by Muslims to spread Islam. You do know that history or should I post the countless, agressive battles by century? The Islamic hordes were at the gates of Vienna twice. The Europeans did not appreciate that.
There have been over 300 Islamist terror attacks on US soil since 1972 and tens of thousands in the world since 9/11.
Speaking of the camel’s nose under the tent: The veil is a political, supremacist statement and it will not stand, as laws being made against it clearly show. If Susie and company are forced to wear the freaking black-garbage-bag in Saudi then Muslims can damned well take the gear off when they come to the West! Unless, of course, all of that Islamic “respect” is only for Muslims and no one else. ;)
The Qur’an states that Muslims are permitted to defend themselves. Are we mere infidels not permitted the same when Muslims attack? Were westerners just supposed to sit there and take all those terror attacks without fighting back?
Oh, and just for the record I was always against the Iraq war because it is obvious that Muslims need a strong man to rule them. I always have been for departing from Muslim lands, lock, stock and barrel. No more aid, no more trade or anything of value from the hated infidels, that includes, food, water, medicines, technology and luxury goods. Muslims want to be left alone. Good idea! Let them become self-sustaining. If they want democracy, let them work for it. Let them bleed and die for it as others over the centuries have done. Many have stated: One man, one vote, ONE time and never again. If I were a betting person, I would bet on that because the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda and the Taliban want “perfect” Islam, like in the days of the beloved prophet, to rule. Let the aid flow from the filthy rich Islamic states like Saudi. The problem is, if all of the expats left, how would the Saudis get at the oil to sell so that they could feed their people?
As to Muslims in the West: Any Muslim who preaches sedition, that means if they say things like, “Islam must reign supreme,” or demands that sharia be implemented in the free world, should be arrested, prosecuted and if found guilty imprisoned and/or deported. We have seen that the Chinese are doing it already. The Pakistanis will find that their new “forever, best friends” are not politically correct and will not put up with dawa or sedition.
Perhaps that way, there will be peace and Muslims will not have the West to blame for their self-made misery any longer. Polls show that the majority of Westerners feel the very same way and are making laws to underscore the point to keep the West democratic and free.
LOL you seem to know a lot about muslims but forgot the bloody history of the West. How exactly were the native Indians made a minority? Through killing. How were the aboriginies made a minority? Through killing. The Crusades. Invasion after invasion by Christian Britain. Kidnapping Africans and Indians to work as slaves.
ReplyDeleteOH my the bloody history is just too much.
Wouldnt it have been simpler to just accept, theres TWO sides??? Nah you wouldnt have been able to spew your hatred :P